Word for word -- Kirk Ferentz's two hours with the media on Thursday
Hat tip to HawkeyeNation's Jon Miller and HawkeyeDrive's Brendan Stiles. We broke this into thirds. You'll be able to tell mine from all the poor spelling.
We are not really planning on it.† No.† I kind of like our black and gold, get black to looking like we should look, hopefully.† There is nothing in the works right now.
Itís true in any program, you have to get players who are going to fit into what it is you are going to ask them to do.† That is the key.† It is true of any program and probably the biggest thing I learned in the 1980ís was that some schools have certain parameters they use.† They have absolutely standards and make few exceptions about size.† We donít have that luxury.† You think back to a center like Joel Hilgenberg; he weighed 235 or 240 his senior year and he might be as fine of an offensive lineman as I have ever coached.† Mark Sindlinger might have been six-feet tall.† He backed up Hilgy in 1983 as a true freshman and started three years on three very good teams.† One thing about coaching is your learn from your players.† you fast forward with us in the Orange Bowl in 2002...after we did our first joint press conference, Pete Carroll and I were talking.† He was talking about Palamalu being the last guy they took.† Pete wasnít there when Troy came to school.† His uncle was on the staff, they had a scholarship pop open late and they drafted him.† You had two of the best strong safeties in the last few decades playing in that game with he and Bob Sanders, who wouldnít pass the size card most places.† We canít be a size or speed team, a combine team.† .† I think about the Giants in the 1980ís. their defensive linemen looked like offensive linemen.† Every team has their personnel quirks.† I just saw a film on the Steelers..it was not at our house, as we donít have the NFL Network at our house, which is a sore subject.† We were at one of our kids houses and they had a film on the Steelers defense one of the best of all time.† You look at how teams are formed.† At Iowa, you need to keep an open mind.† Itís more about mentality and personality and perseverance.† You have to have requisite skill and ability, but the mental part is more important because itís a hard race to run. It;s not for everybody.
We had our eye on him for some time.† Once you meet him and his parents and his sisters happened to be with him the first time I met him, you met the whole family and you knew he was a winner.† He is an exceptional young man.† I have told people in the private sector that I donít know when his career will be over, but I would hire him in a heartbeat.† If he canít outsmart you, he will figure out a way to win somehow, someway.† He is a tremendous purpose and great student.
I think we were then some other people got involved.† With him, it was more about intangibles than anything else.† We had heard a lot of good things prior to meeting him. It was kind of like Mike Elgin.† that happened later and we were Ďsupposedí to offer him a scholarship, but sitting there with his mom and dad, we couldn't not offer him.
The theme here seems to be Iowa guys..
Something about them conveys to you that they will find a way to be successful. They did it in the classroom at a really high rate.† On the field, they were not the most gifted for athletic of guys, but boy they were determined, smart, physical and tough.† Those guys have a chance...they find a way to rise to the top.
Adrian developed into one, Christian walked in as one.† They donít walk in here often like that.† The bottom line, I learned from our wrestling program in the 1980ís, itís not where a guy is when he gets here itís where they are when he leaves.† To be a good college football player, it takes a lot.† Itís a sacrifice time wise, energy wise.† It;s not for everyone.† To be really good, you look at Elgin; he carried a 3.85 in Engineering and started three years in the Big Ten.† That is not your average bear.
This day and age, do you find four and five star players who are overrated?
All the time.† The NFL blows it on draft picks and they have a lot more invested.† They get to do a lot more research.† They have so much information and they blow it on picks.† People change.† College aged students change.† they change as students, people and athletes.† Wherever you may be when you get there, itís what you do once you get there that determines things.† It happens frequently.† In basketball vs football, in football you donít see a guy from Decorah compete against a kid from Chicago or Ohio, because they donít play them.† Decorah doesnít play St Ignatius in Cleveland.† You donít get that opportunity.† Whereas in basketball, you see a kid from a small town compete against a kid from a bigger town.† In that sport, you have a chance to make more of an educated projection I guess, as to how a guy will be.† But even then, Drew Ott when he came to our camp a year ago, June, 14 months ago, I think we had offered him.† We really liked him, but he got destroyed in our camp.† But no kidding, you weight 207 pounds, would you mind getting in a three-point stance and going against a tackle.† No kidding.† We put him in an uncomfortable position and he didnít look good, but he showed up last year and worked hard every day and the reasons we thought he would be a good player, we saw that every day last year and he is not 207 pounds anymore.† We made that projection and they are not always right.† Just like Ike Boettger, he is a quarterback in camp and we asked him to put shoulder pads on and blocked and he looked terrible, but he ran like AJ Edds.† We do more projecting.† There are ten schools in the country where you can pick guys.† There is nothing wrong with that, that would be OK.† But they donít all pan out.
Could you coach them?†
I think I could coach anywhere, but I like where I am at.
I think you like that challenge.
Itís a part of our challenge.† The guys we are talking about, Bob Sanders, Nelson, Clark, those guys were fun to coach.† Someone made a point yesterday about a walk on carrying something extra throughout their careers...same way with someone injured...they have a different appreciation for being healthy than someone who has never missed time.† Those things can be advantages.† I donít pretend to know all of our wrestlers, but talking to the Brandsí and Dan (Gable), it sounds like they have had a lot of guys who have done their best wrestling in college.† That is the whole idea of anything you do in collegiate sports; a guy improving, striving to push his boundaries and seeing how good he can be. You can get some unique stories.
What is the verbal clock now like what it was in 80ís and 90ís
Back in the 1980ís, early verbal commitments came much later, as a rule.† you might have a guy who grew up in Iowa City and wanted to play at Iowa his whole life, but as a rule everything happened so much later.† It wasnít always peaches and cream then, either.† Those were the days of four or five coaches sitting in a kidís house on signing day.† I remember spending at least four days in Marceline, Missouri...myself and another† coach.† It was comical...we were at an eight unit hotel, it was like spy vs spy for the first day...but after a few days we were eating every meal together, thinking ďwill this kid make his mind up?Ē† I bought two shirts at the Marceline clothing store because I ran out of clothes. He didnít come to our place and a year and a half later he called and wanted to transfer to Iowa and we said thanks but no thanks.† That was in late January.† I could have been home with the wife and kids.† Itís never been perfect.† With earlier commitments, there will be more decommitments† That stands to reason.† Consumers have all the rights.† Itís true in recruiting, too.
You talk about a leap of faith in recruiting..as the commitment clock accelerates, does that leap gets larger?
As coaches, you have to be careful about writing it down in ink.† Where it really gets tricky...lets say a quarterback would commit to you and you are not 100% sure he is totally committed..it gets tricky to try to recruit other ones.† Itís a new dimension that has been added to the game.† It is interesting.† Things can happen.† teams have bad seasons, a guy might jump off the ship.† Coaches change jobs frequently and guys might jump off the boat then.† It will be a fluid process, but that is a good reason for early signing period.† Everyone in our conference is totally in favor of that.
Do kids want that?
Why wouldn't they?† Itís an industry now.† This is hard for anyone to deal with.† Flattery and attention is nice but it can affect people.† Parents have most definitely changed.† Any high school coach would tell you that who has been in it for 20 years. Any high school teacher would tell you that...any teacher, any level.† The world is different.† There is a lot more...itís all about me kind of stuff.† That is the world we live in, too.† If you are involved in team sports, that is one of the challenges you have in coaching.
Is that more of parents wanting their kids to star, theyíve invested a lot of money in the process?
Best way I could say it, there was a time recently where I would tell you most playres if you give them truth syrum and read their minds, they want to know when they would hit the field and how much will they play and where will they end up.† taht is what they were thinking.† You could count on the parents to ask about the education, what are the graduation rates, etc.† Parents are still saying that, but there are a lot of them more inetersted in the playing ttime than education, and that is just my opinion and in generalities.† There has been a shift. There is ore Ďwhat is in it for my son as a playerí.† We should all be interested in careers, but there is so much more involved here.
Do you have to be more careful with projections?
They donít all work out.† I would counter it and say...I canít compare percentages but when you draft first rounders, sometimes they donít work out, either.† A lot of them can disappoint you.† My second year in Cleveland, we drafted a linebacker at 19.† He wasnít on the roster two years later and wasnít a good special teams player.† The one thing in the NFL, when you draft a first rounder the one rule is they better play.† If you want the owners to be patient with you and believe in you, they are not happy when first rounders donít play.† that happens a lot.† In our case, we are further down the line in development.† Sometimes kids peak earlier and things like that.† There are a lot of variables.† I just read an article recently, I think they had a series on the basketball draft, recruiting classes from the last 15 years, itís amazing how many of those guys you never hear of and they were canít miss coming out of high school. There is no fool proof system.† No 100 percent.† When Christian Ballard came in, he could have gone anywhere in the country.† Adrian didnít have that chance, he was more of a Midwest recruit.† Four years later, Adrian is a 1st round draft pick.† Riley Reiff, Nebraska hit him late.† He wasnít heralded and if he would have stayed he would have been a top five pick.† He still made a good decision to go, I am not saying that.† There is no absolute.
You know the players you can and canít get.† When you meet the parents, how much of that goes into the decision?
When we came here 14 years ago, we had a good idea of who and what we wanted to be and how we wanted to do it.† That hasnít changed much.
What shaped that?
30 some years of coaching...
But at Iowa, when you came here as a head coach, you knew what the challenges were here, the kind of players you could get...
In general terms, I will double talk here a little bit...we have not had an extraordinary about of NFL receivers.† In the 1980ís we didnít have any NFL backs or D-linemen, but we have a lot of guys in the NFL now who have been in the secondary or defensive line.† There are certain things we thought were important and certain things you look for in players.† The bottom line, we know we are not going to start on the inside lane year in and year out.† That is not how we are.† Maybe there were some exceptions in the 1950ís.† you know where you are going to start, so you have to figure out how you are going to get to the front of the pack.
Was this a longer out of season?† Do you look harder at things, any bullet points you wanted to change?
I donít know if it was longer.† I guess it was, because we had a lot of free time in December and January relative to things I would normally be doing.† We did our player personnel evaluations prior to Christmas last year and you donít do that when you are in a bowl game.† Everything got moved up a little bit.† We tried to pretty retrospective on everything we do, every segment of the program.† I think the clear thing we had to do was what factored into our lack of success you canít do anything about and what are the things you can do something about and spend your time there.
You have said Greg Davis will be a better Iowa coach this year. What does that mean?
We had two transitions, with Norm and Ken leaving.† The difference being that Phil was already in the program.† He knew the program and payers and we didnít wholesale changes things defensively.† That was a modest transition as opposed to Greg not knowing anyone; the players, the staff.† Things were moving faster.† I was committed to not wholesale...a very high percentage going his direction, with the terminology and all that stuff.† So there was a lot of learning and teaching going on.† That was traumatic for everyone, coaches included.† Those of us who had been here, it was all new.† Brian hadnít been there, and it was all new to him too.† This year, we are all a little more comfortable with everything and Greg is more comfortable with our personnel with what we can do and canít do.† that will show up.† Greg is an excellent coach, teacher and human being.† He fits the profile of the guys we have had as coaches and coordinators.† He is right in there with the class of people we have.
Chuck Long brought up a point yesterday, bringing Bobby Kennedy in, someone Greg knows, could make a world of difference.
They are not quite like a married couple, but itís close.† They go back and forth pretty well.† There is a real comfort level.† That is what happens when you are with someone you have been with for a long time.† They have a great relationship.† That is an advantage.
What do you see as Chris Whiteís secret in recruiting right now?† He has been away from game a few years and has hit the ground running.
I am smiling..he has a great personality.† I am laughing at a text he sent out on his first or second day of vacation.† It centered around a lobster they were getting ready to eat...but anyway.
I think he tweeted that picture
That was a classic.† I have a flip phone, so I was trying to figure out what it was.† I did see it on an iphone, transferred it over.† I was entertained.† He has a great personality.† He is a real intelligent guy.† Our players have taken to him very quickly and that is our backs as well as the guys involved ins special teams.† They enjoy his demeanor and it seems like some have been receptive to him as well.
Are you surprised to see recruits committing without a campus visit?
yeah, that is concerning, too.† What if they show up and donít like it?† I think we have given them a good framework.† When I came out there in 1981, they used to have the college blue book.† What I knew about Iowa was a lousy record and the head coach was a square jawed ex-Marine from Texas.† that is what I knew about Coach Fry, because the blue book said it. I got a haircut and a tie and came out and interviewed.† Now, there is so much information out there so it can happen more.† Kids didnít commit early back in the 80ís and 90ís.† They didnít get an offer from Coach Fry until the end of the weekend.† The dating stuff is gone, this is all mail order stuff now.
You seem to place an emphasis of the student in student athlete, you have a few guys here taking summer classes..how much pride do you take in your programís graduation rates?
I was talking with Bret Van Sloten yesterday.† Both of those guys were studying in the car and they were studying yesterday morning.† People throw numbers out in recruiting visits and people donít check the numbers.† Iíve told a few young people that they might be talking about their womenís basketball team, but I know their football numbers. We are really proud of what our guys do. Our players get great support when they get on campus from the get go.† We think itís important.† I have had three kids in the program.† The most lasting accomplishment a player will achieve in college is to get a degree.† Football will end at some point but that degree is there for a lifetime.† In this day and age, if a player doesnít get a degree itís because he chose not to.† That is where coaches and support folks have to step in, because when you are 22 years old that is not #1 on your list, but we have to emphasize that.† That being said, there will always be a player or two who chooses not to finish.† Itís sad, but you hope they come back at some point.† Dallas came back after they won the Super Bowl and got his degree after the Super Bowl.† Andre Tippett did it, Mike Titley did it too.† He was doing well in his professional life, but he had a young family and he didnít want to be a hypocrite with his kids.† He came back and got it.† Those are good examples of the way things should be done
There are three QBís in the running here.† Have you thought about practice structure and how you want to let them have the same looks and all that?
That is what we did in the spring. Everyone got an equal opportunity, good and bad.† What I mean there, a mix of first team and third team.† We will start out that way.† There is no blueprint for this thing.† You have to be fair to the players in the competition and fair to the team.† My suspicion is things will look a little different in August than they did in April.† The entire team will.† We assess that as fast as we can and work it accordingly.† Having three in the race, itís not easy.† Itís easier with two, but that is not the case.
What do you expect to see from them?
I donít have any expectations other than hoping all three will look improved and I think they will.† You canít predict it, but looking back on things, after going through a spring where they were really running the offense and looking at film all summer and then 7 on 7ís, I would assume they are all farther down the road.† It will be a matter of what they do in camp but that will be based on how the rest of the team supports them.† Whomever is playing quarterback this year has a good chance to be better supported than James Vandenberg was last year.
Does that include wide receiver?
I am including everything.† Still our biggest question marks outside of QB is our receiver position.† We are young, we donít have the depth or the firepower we need. But the good news is we have a fairly veteran line, a group of tight ends that are veteran and runnings backs we didnít have last year.† there is a chance on the whole to have a better starting point than we had last year.
Ferentz: In terms ofÖ
Ferentz: Uh Ö OK, behavior or academics?
Ferentz: Well, both sort of go either way. You know, if I become aware of something, probably like most people, you want to gather all the facts and then you do what you feel is appropriate. And itís probably about as simple as that, but itís hardly simple typically. And then, you know, every case has its own individual set of circumstances and there are different levels of conduct issues if youíre talking about underage possession of alcohol versus something a little bit more egregious. It may require an immediate suspension. I donít know about immediate dismissal. Weíd have to have all the facts in front and thatís possible I guess if something is just obvious. But if youíre not sure, I think if itís something very severe and bad, then weíd probably suspend the player, get all the facts and then make an appropriate decision.
Ferentz: Thatís a whole different discussion. Yeah, if you want to talk about evaluating prospects, certainly yeah, those are red flags and if weíre aware of those types of things, yeah, thatís a huge factor. Iím talking about players on our team that weíve brought into our program. Once we brought them in, theyíre our players and weíre going to try to be as fair, much like you would as a parent. And Iím not saying youíd never kick a child out of the house. Sometimes, I guess you do that with an older child. But again, itís important to have all the facts and if itís something that Iíd consider to be very severe and egregious, then yeah, there might be an immediate suspension until you have all the facts. Thereís something that I would consider to be a typical college violation. Speeding tickets, underage possession. I doubt a suspension would be merited at all for that. But itís a really subjective process and the big thing is to be fair. Because you have a lot of people Ö it affects not only that player, but your entire team, your entire population.
Ferentz: You know, weíre going to find out. Obviously, Gary did a wonderful job. We played Utah State back in 2002 and Iím not sure if he was the second or third coach since that time. But itís really obvious they did a great job, not only last year ó they had a really good team last year ó†but that didnít happen overnight. I got to see them on TV a couple of times last year. They were very well-coached and played extremely well. The fact that Gary is hired by a guy that knows a little something about football, he knows Wisconsin about as well as anybody, you know, I just think itís probably going to be a great marriage and my guess is weíre going to continue to see great football out of the Wisconsin football program.
Ferentz: I think everybody evolves. In any profession, you have to do it. You know, we work with a young population and particularly in recruiting, things change and have changed just really dramatically. You have to evolve. I donít know if you change because you donít want to lose, I donít think Ö not that you donít constantly evaluate your core beliefs, but I donít want to change those everyday. I donít think you always want to change your identity. But things evolve and things change each week and all those types of things. But you know, I would just suggest this: Not to make this too general, but in sports, when youíre winning, whatever youíre doing is pretty good and when youíre losing, whatever youíre doing is the reason youíre losing. So it really kind of boils down to that. You know, whether a coach is stoic or demonstrative on the sidelines for instance, if that coach wins, you need to be more stoic and thatís the answer. Or if youíre a very demonstrative coach, ĎHey, thatís why that teamís winning. The coach is very demonstrative.í And then when you lose, itís exactly the opposite. You know, itís interesting. If you watch NFL teams and they fire coaches, which happens, you know, 6-10 times every year, if you read the stories, typically, you know, ĎWe need a playerís coach.í So they hire a playerís coach and then two years later when they go to the next guy, ĎHey we need a guy thatís stern.í You can write the scripts and the bottom line is thereís a lot more upside when youíre winning. Everybodyís happier and everything youíre doing looks a lot better. Case in point, up-tempo offenses, spread offenses, thatís what you got to do. So ironically, that in our first championship game in the history of the Big Ten, youíve got two teams that didnít get the memo. ĎOh my gosh, how did that happen?í Weíve had two teams go to the Rose Bowl, or emerge as championship teams out of the Big Ten championship game, that didnít get the memo. ĎHow could that be?í So itís simple as you got to do what you do and do it well.
Ferentz: I was looking to get the best coach and part of being the best coach for Iowa is being the best fit for Iowa and believe it or not, Iím not so set in my ways. I donít want to call every play and I donít want to tie a guyís hands. But there are certain things that I just donít want to see and you know, those are discussions you all have when youíre in the dating processÖ
Q: Would you say itís what you donít want to see in terms of personality or whatís going on on the field?
Ferentz: Yeah, just how we play. I mean, there are certain plays and axioms in football, no matter what style you play, that just based on your belief system arenít going to work. You know, thereís some common ground that has to be there, but the onside of that, I was looking for the best possible coach and I had a list that covered a lot of ground. I mean, a lot of demographics, a lot of age groups, different levels ó NFL, Division-III ó†you know, I had a pretty wide range of people. I wanted to spend time investigating, but the bottom line is you really want to get a guy that you really thought would fit with our staff, with our program and fit at Iowa.
Q: Do you and Greg Ö I guess, how much do you interject on your opinion of what you feel Iowa football is under Kirk Ferentz with a balanced attackÖ
Ferentz: Yeah, itís, I think weíve had a good communication system and it started right from the first conversation I think. You know, Greg was no stranger to who we are or what we were. You know, he knew Joe and he knew Ken. Joe Philbin worked with Greg. He knew Ken. Those guys had visited with him and then the Jim Caldwell connection. So thereís some commonality there and Greg and I had met each other socially. But it became really apparent to me the first time he came in and visited with us that it was a consensus when he left campus that thereís a common ground here. So I think he was comfortable with what he knew about us and I think it was a two-way street. You know, itís funny we get these H.R. memos about, ĎDo this, do that.í In football, you work with each other in such a close proximity and thereís daily communication. Itís a really different working environment than apparently a lot of jobs on campus are. So I think we have great communication on our staff and I think weíre all, as I said earlier, he has been here a year now, so he knows us and knows our players. When he came here, he knew nobody. He knew nothing, he knew nobody. So itís hard when youíre the new guy coming in and youíve got to learn everything and everybody and what have you. Itís a lot easier on the other side.
Ferentz: Uh, you know, I donít think night and day. There are some differences in some ways. But you knowÖ
Ferentz: Yeah. Throw in the Wildcat. That had a crash landing. A quick crash landing. But you know, thatís just football. The 46, up and down, all that stuff. But you do what you do best with your players and I think weíre a lot further down the road than we were a year ago at this time. I really do. But you know, it has all gone really well. Greg is an excellent coach, an excellent teacher.
Ferentz: We talk about it a lot. Yeah, we talk about it a lot. Iím still trying to figure out what Glide is. Do you know what Glide is? You got that one down?
Ferentz: Yeah, OK.
Q: What is it?
Ferentz: Well, I donít know. I know what Vine is. Iíve got Vine, Iíve got Instagram.
Ferentz: Yeah, soÖ but we talk about it a lot. Young guys keep us Ö youíd be amazed. Believe it or not, weíre not all dinosaurs. Jim Reid is a phenom on social media. But I mean, thatís a good example. Jimís a really veteran coach, but Jim also understands you canít coach if you canít recruit and the way to get to recruits is through Facebook and all that stuff, soÖ and that really impressed me with Jim. But Iím not surprised because Jim wants to be the best coach he can be and realizes thatís a part of. If I get to the point where I absolutely deem it necessary to Facebook or Twitter or tweet, whatever the proper term is, then I guess Iíll do it. But right now, I think we have enough guys covering ground on it and I understand thatís a big part of the world we live in. And then once guys get in our program, I still want to encourage them when theyíre in our building to look at each other and talk to each other. Communicate with each other. Do the same thing in the dining hall. I guess thatís the healthy thing to do and I encourage them to do it with their friends and their girlfriends occasionally, too. You know, look them in the eye and actually talk. I think some of that old-fashioned stuff is still good, just like blocking and tackling still works in football. Itíll never change.
Ferentz: Hahaha. Iím not real good at giving advice. You know, both guys got to where there at based by what theyíve done, just like every other coach in the room had to obviously accomplish something to get to the point theyíre at in their careers. You know, you just keep doing what you do. Obviously, whatever theyíve done has made them successful. Theyíre both very successful coaches already. Much more so than I was when I came to Iowa. They come in with the good rťsumťs, I didnít. So I donít think Iím one to be giving them advice. Maybe they could give me some.
Q: Who are some the leaders on the team that you feel will help get Iowa back on track?
Ferentz: Well, I think you start with the three players I brought here. Itís unfortunate you canít bring more. Iím just sitting here thinking about B.J. Lowery right off the bat. I donít know if we have anyone who had a better spring than B.J. I wouldíve loved to have brought him and weíve got some underclassmen too who have done a really good job. So Iím really happy with the leadership of our team since we last met in November and the feedback I get is it has been great all summer as well. So weíve got some seniors, juniors, even some underclassmen and some lower guys that are all, I think, doing a good job and itís going to be a group effort. But if you look at the three guys who are here, I think theyíre really representative of the group of guys on our team that are thinking right and doing right.
Q: Looking at some players that maybe at the end of last year you think may have really turned it on that you think will have a breakout season this season. Are there any guys that youíve noticed?
Ferentz: Uh, really, we just got to let it all happen if it happens. I hope it does. Weíll start with our backs. Last year in August, or July, Iím not sure we had a Big Ten back. In fact, I was really wondering if we did have one. I think we have two really good backs right now. How good in the Big Ten, weíll see. Thatís what this yearís for. So we have a lot of examples of players like that, that are further down the road than they were a year ago. Weíll also have to have some new guys who havenít played much step up and do a good job. Obviously, our quarterback position, if weíre going to be successful, whoever wins that job is going to have to play well. But I think we have three guys who are capable of that.
Q: [inaudible; something about if it makes doing business easier with Rutgers joining the Big Ten next year]
Ferentz: You know, realistically it probably helps them. I think they have more to gain than we do, personally. So I think we gained a lot of TV sets, a lot of exposure. Certainly, I think weíre all thrilled about that. But now they can say theyíre members of this conference. They couldnít say that before. I donít know if they wanted to say that. Apparently, they wanted to join. So itís probably more of a positive for them. But you know, weíll all do our part and recruiting is all about trying to identify people with whom your message will resonate with and then I can say from experience, I did coach at Pittsburgh back in 1980, there is a big difference between college football in the East and in the Midwest. I didnít know that until I went out to Iowa back in 1981. Thatís one of the reasons I stayed for nine years and one of the reasons I went back 14 years ago. It gets down to a matter of choice, but the first thing you have to do is get someone interested in really comparing and then theyíve got to make that choice. But obviously if someone would leave New Jersey or New York to come to Iowa, theyíve got to overcome that distance factor and you canít do a thing about that. So we have to overcome that hurdle.
Q: What differences do you see?
Ferentz: Uh, you know, the interests, and Iíll just stick with my example with Pittsburgh. You know, the year I was there, we were second in the country. I had nothing to do with it. I was a lowly GA. But, you know, if we werenít playing Penn State or Notre Dame, which we didnít play either of them in Pitt Stadium that year, we did play West Virginia, and their fans travel like Iowa fans travel, so it was a sellout. Otherwise, you know in Pittsburgh, at that time ó†I donít want to talk about now, but at that time ó it was all about Sundays and the Steelers. You opened up any sports section, it was all about the Steelers on Page One. Pitt was on Page Five. So I guess thereís a little bit more of a pro mentality when youíre in a pro area. I lived in Baltimore for three years and witnessed that. I lived in Cleveland for three years and witnessed that. You know, so we donít have to fight over that in our state. We donít have any pro teams in Iowa ó major league teams or National Football League teams. So we really do have the stateís undivided attention in the fall. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. But it has been a good thing most of the time.
Ferentz: Absolutely. Didnít get there this year. I had a wedding. I love it.
Ferentz: Iím not giving that up. Are you from New Jersey? No, Iím not giving that up.
Q: What have you seen when youíve been thereÖ
Ferentz: We go to Ocean City. Iím teasing you. Mainly because I love it, and I screamed and kicked the first time I went there. So Iím more used to the outer banks where things are spread out. I thought my wife was insane. Actually, one of my good buddies who coaches the Falcons, heís from Philly. And who from Philly doesnít go to Ocean City, right? So she started going up there when I was in Baltimore. During training camp, I wouldnít be home for four weeks, so she took the kids up there. They all love it, so she dragged me out there the first year. ĎLook at all these people.í I was miserable. Then after two days, I loved it. So thatís my place to disappear. I love it.
Q: Do you think the Big Ten will be well-received there?
Ferentz: Absolutely. I think the whole thing will be very well-received and I think itís great for the conference.
Q: When you look at the growth of the Big Ten Network, how has that changed the Iowa recruiting pitch over the years?
Ferentz: Well you know, it has just benefited our whole conference. Everybody looked at our commissioner, I think they looked at him funny when the idea got hatched. He was sort of an enemy of the people. I canít remember the name of that character, that guy Ö he was the crazy doctor. Well, thatís Commissioner Delany and now everybody wants to copy him and is trying to copy him. Commissioner Delany, heís a very visionary guy and it has been great press. On the financial aspects, it has been great, but more importantly, I think we have a great conference to sell. I think we all want the conference to do well and I think itís great for everybody.
Q: How has it helped your ability to get guys outside the state of Iowa?
Ferentz: Youíd be surprised. When you talk to both fans and alums, and then obviously prospects, high school coaches. They have a feel for the Big Ten and they have a feel for Iowa via the Big Ten Network. Thatís something that wasnít available at one time and obviously too, the information on the Internet and all that stuff now is much different than it used to be. So thereís just so much more communication and thatís true in every fashion of life. But I think the Big Ten Network has been a huge deal for our conference and has really helped us.
Q: Have you thought about targeting at all?
Ferentz: Yep. We havenít had that discussion, but it can be anybody on defense you can get nailed on it. Again, Iíll just add that I think we need to really be careful about our approach to this. You know, I think Iím factual in saying there was one ejection last year in our conference and we watched it as a group of coaches last February. It was a bang-bang play and Iíll just say it ó if it was one of those ones where everybody in the stands and my sister in Fort Collins watching it on TV says, ĎHey, that guy should be ejected,í then eject the player. But if thereís a gray area, I think you really need to be ó and again, weíre not talking about a 15-yard penalty ó and I canít imagine anybody involved in the game not interested in player safety and I think it was that way 30 years ago. Certainly, the rules have been tweaked and changed in a positive way, but you really need to be careful about human error and the analogy Iíll give you is officiating an onside kick without instant replay. Itís impossible. Even if you know itís coming. If you donít know itís coming, forget it. Itís a hard play to officiate and Iíd say the same about targeting, unless again, itís just a blatant Ö we saw it a couple of years ago. There was one team in particular where they had a guy that was, you know, just intentionally hitting punt returners before and it was obvious. Kick the guy out. But on these ones that are too close to call, donít call them. You canít call them. Itís ridiculous.
Ferentz: I think it has become more and more challenging each and every year. It still gets down to the interpretation of the rules. And then the other thing about the targeting thing, in my opinion, like the onside kick rule, it puts undue pressure and unwanted pressure on the officials and if I were the commissioner of sports, one of the objectives would be to take some pressure off them. They have enough pressure on them already, I think. I mean, thatís a hard job. I have a great appreciation for their job. So I think personally, you have to be careful how much you put on them just like I would with how much you put on your quarterback. I mean, just blame it on him, right? I told the guy. I mean, thatís easy.
Q: [inaudible; about targeting]
Ferentz: I donít think anybody is teaching targeting. I canít imagine anyone doing that. But there are players who do dumb things sometimes. I remember one we had our first year, at Northwestern, who was guilty of a really dumb act on the field and more guilty of a dumb comment afterwards. Like he thought it was OK. Yeah, you know, those need to be dealt with, those kinds of things. But youíve got to be careful. Itís a slippery slope and really tough for the officials, quite frankly.
Q: There are officials who would do that.
Ferentz: Yeah. And I think the guy who got ejected last year was a DB. And it was a bang-bang play. To me, if you look at it three times and itís like, ĎYep,í thereís that. 15 yards? Sure. Personal foul? Sure. Thatís a pretty steep penalty to me.
Q: Did you see the Clowney hit? It has been talked about recently as an example of targeting.
Ferentz: That looked like a good football play to me, and it looked like a guy blew an assignment, from what I could tell. I mean, it was a great play on his part, but somebody blew an assignment. I mean, you donít let a guyÖ it was a great play on his part, but when that guyís unblocked, bad things are going to happen if youíre an offense.
Q: Going back to social media, youíre still a no with Twitter for your guys, right?
Ferentz: Yeah. Yeah.
Q: But theyíre able to do Vine and Instagram andÖ
Ferentz: They are. Yeah, itísÖ
Q: A lot of gray area for you.
Ferentz: I mean, where do you draw the line? I could cite a lot of examples on Twitter. We just had one very recently in our country, right, where a very national news item took place, a news event took place, and a couple of NFL players predictably and emotionally tweeted afterwards. Iím not passing judgment on it, yay or nay, but predictably, a day later they wanted to retract their statements and the one fact about all this stuff is whatever you put out there is out there and itís part of your DNA. So thatís my concern and you know, there are countless examples of people that are older and more experienced than college athletes or college students that have regretted what they said. And itís probably a very small percentage of what gets put out there. But Iíve heard the argument, ĎWell, if it was only one time, thatís a great learning experience.í Sometimes, it can be painful. Sometimes, it can come at the absolutely worst time and the thing is, I think about my own children. Sometimes you make mistakes that really stick with you for a long time and mistakes, theyíre just like anything when something bad happens. It takes a lot longer to get that off your ledger. I donít see the upside to having guys out there and vulnerable to that, knowing they could do numerous other things.
Q: Do you talk about that in recruiting?
Ferentz: I donít really talk about it. But I think if you asked any of our players, you know, if thatís the most important thing to them in a college selection, then they probably donít fit well with us anyway, so thatís OK.
Q: Has there ever been an instance where youíve pulled an offer from someone you were recruiting because of something they said on social media?
Ferentz: Iím not going to say thatís necessarily true, but I can remember a call to a prospect. We saw some things on a social media site that were more than questionable in our minds, so I had a private conversation with the prospect about it and asked him to maybe consider taking that off his site. Then the question that would probably get asked is, ĎWould your mom be OK if she looked at that? How would she feel about that?í And it frightened me a little bit when the prospect informed me that his mom was OK with it. So that was a little bit of a scary moment, so we did make a decision to probably go in a different direction. It was a mutual decision that it probably wasnít going to be a great marriage. Thatís frightening.
Q: Could you talk about the progress of Cole Croston? You coached his father as well.
Ferentz: As you know, Cole looks like a colt, or a big puppy. He has got the big hands and heís really not that much lighter than Dave was when Dave came in. But that was a little different era. But I tell you, Cole did a great job last year. He has great football instinct. He really practices hard. He works hard. He is a very good listener and yeah, he works hard. So I think he has got a really good chance to develop into a Ö and weíve had some really good walk-on linemen. You know, Matt Tobin started two years for us and to compare the two, I would say heís a little bit further along than Matt was at this point. But the key now is with moving forward and itís interesting. If you think about it, I coached his dad in 1982. It really puts it in perspective. Itís neat. But Cole is a great young man.
Q: Have you ever coached a father and son before?
Ferentz: Dan Hartlieb was on our team last year. Danís just going to school now. But we have had a few instances like that and itís kind of neat weíre getting to that point now where we get sons of former players that I associate with as their assistant coach.
Q: Coach, youíve had some significantly bad luck at the running back position in terms of injuriesÖ
Ferentz: Coffee right out there? I might excuse here after you finish this question (he didnít).
Q: Youíve had some bad luck at the running back position in terms of injuries. Are you going to have to use bubble wrap this year?
Ferentz: No. No. I wish we could, but weíre not allowed. They wouldnít run fast enough.
Q: In all seriousness, is there any pressure that you could take off of them in practice?
Ferentz: Well, one thing that I, and weíve done this forever, guys that have been tackled in Big Ten games usually donít get tackled much in practice, if at all. You know for instance, Fred Russell in 2003, he didnít get tackled once in camp, carried the ball a million times in 2002. So I felt like we really didnít need to see him get tackled live. So I think itís probably a safe barometer that Bullock and Weisman will not be tackled much this camp. But the guys that we havenít seen tackled a lot, you have to see players get tackled and then conversely, our defensive team needs to do some tackling, too. But itís a question that every coach asks ó What is an intelligent ratio? So itís an age old discussion dilemma.
Q: Have you seen a run of injuries at one position like youíve had at running back?
Ferentz: Yeah, you know Ö I mean, probably. You know, we had a bad run last year at the line. If you think about two guys that ended up missing Ö they came off the field for the seasons. Blythe never really got back to full speed once he was hurt, so there was three of our starters. And then you know, when it happens with running backs, itís a pretty noticeable position and weíve had some unusual circumstances, to say the least.
Q: Whatís your recruiting number for this year?
Ferentz: 18-20 like every year. You know, could be 22. Could be 18. Time will tell.
Q: How have you looked at recruiting different areas with new assistants and are you pleased with what youíve seen thus far?
Ferentz: Yeah, Iíve been really pleased and itís like this technology stuff. Of all the things that are evolving, nothing is evolving faster and things arenít changing any more than they are in recruiting, more so than offense, defense, special teams. So thatís just something weíre just constantly looking at and then you the industry part of it is changing things, social media and how its effect is changing things, conference realignment is changing things. I mean, there are just a lot of variables. So weíll continue to look at areas and we gave a lot of thought to that one morning last week. That was one of the things I wanted to kind of go back and review. Weíll have some discussion on it when we get together next week, see what we think about it. Yeah, weíll continue to look at it. But the areas weíve settled in, weíre not to change that, obviously. We have our core Big Ten areas, and then Texas. I donít see us changing that. The peripheral areas, itís really just how much and how little. Itís not really an area we quantify. We donít have official statistics. But thatís a continuing discussion.
Q: In what ways would you say youíve changed as a college football coach from when you first got to Iowa up until now?
Ferentz: Itís daily. I mean, maybe not daily. That might be an exaggeration. But probably weekly or monthly. Just because things are changing around us, as I said. Our conference looks a lot different than it did in í99. Itís going to look a lot different next year. So Iíd start there. Recruiting has changed. To me, the game hasnít changed all that much. You could make some arguments, but not all that much and the things that are going to make you successful donít ever change. But the peripheral does change routinely and you just have to constantly be thinking about it, talking about it and then assessing how much or how little do we want to make an indentation. Thatís I think the key.
Q: I know you said the football stuff doesnít change as much, but when you do notice different nuances that pick up speed, do you find yourself looking at them as things you have to do more of or do you feel being the way youíve been will just carry on?
Ferentz: Well, Iíll just go back to when I got here. The two biggest complaints I heard were, ĎWe didnít spread it out enough,í which I assume means four wides because Purdue was having success with ďBasketball on grassĒ and ĎWe didnít blitz enough.í That was the other complaint. That talk died down a bit in í02, í03 and í04. Then you know, í06 and í07 it went back up. Now itís not just spreading out, but up tempo, down tempo. I find it really ironic the championship team the only two years weíve had a championship game, they didnít get the memo on tempo, they didnít get the memo on spreading it out. But I think a lot of times, you know, when it comes to football ó not the other stuff, just football ó†we deal with a lot of generalities and whatever the buzzwords of the day were or whateverís up on the board. Again, I go back to í82. Mike White threw the ball 70 times at Kinnick Stadium, set a Kinnick Stadium passing record when we played Illinois in í82, scored 10 or 13 points. I canít remember, but I know we won. He threw the ball up and down the field, but they couldnít score when they had the ball at the 20. So you know, and at that time, we were a conservative conference. My point is, you canít just bunch things in there. The bottom line is this ó†if youíre successful, if you win enough games, then what youíre doing is pretty good, no matter what your style may be. If youíre losing, it ainít good enough. Your personality, your style, whatever. The color jersey you were. The shirts. The uniforms. I mean, Alabamaís throwback uniforms look pretty good to me. They look the same as they did 40 years ago. So they didnít jump on board with the ĎíYou got to have a different uniform every week.Ē Theyíre the best team in college football right now. So you know, itís kind of, itís what you choose to do.
Ferentz: Ah, I wouldnít call it annoying. I think theyíre entertaining, actually. You know, but it has always been that way. I mean, you go back, I imagine when the forward pass got invented, that was big news, you know. And that was a big change in our game. But you know, itís one of the things you talk about in sports and what Purdue was doing was pretty good and they had great, great success doing it. But Wisconsin got their thing done a whole different way and that was probably a more renovation project that Barry did in the 90s. Just as impressive as what Joe Tiller did. I would actually argue what Barry did was more impressive just because their program was down lower. I donít think there was anybody lower in the conference in í89 when we left and Barry went there. So you know, but he did it one way and Joe Tiller did it another way, but I would say those are two of the great coaching jobs that Iíve witnessed in our conference in my lifetime. So you know, you just got to figure out what your best method is and both those guys changed and tweaked to along the way. Itís just what you think is best.
Q: Going back to offensive philosophy, do you sense that in Year Two of Greg Davis, that the returning guys have really picked up and really impressed?
Ferentz: Oh, thereís no question about it. Greg came in last year and he was new to everything and everybody. If youíve ever been through that, thatís an uncomfortable thing. When youíre new to an organization or group, or in our case a team, thereís a lot of learning that goes on. Starting with ďI know No. 14. Whatís his name? Does his name go with the number?Ē And then it just goes from there. So yeah, thereís a lot of learning on that end and in his case, pretty much what he does is what we chose to do, so thereís a lot of learning on the other end, too. We donít want a lot of guys learning who he was and what he was. So needless to say, you know, itís not an easy process and I think thereís probably a much better comfort level with everybody involved. Itíd be nice to have a veteran quarterback like we had last year, but it just didnít work that way. James ended up being a victim of circumstance more than anything, I think. James is a great football player and a great young man. Greg is a great football coach and a great man. So yeah, I think it should be a luxury.
Ferentz: Every situation is unique. You know, every situation is unique. I mean, you can find examples of it being one year before, poom, taking off. So every situation is unique.
Ferentz: Well, Iíll kind of go both ways on that. You know, if you go back to last year, OK. I donít know if we had a running back ó†a single Big Ten running back ó on our team. It turns out Bullock, who would not block as a freshman, became a good running back and Weisman, who we thought could be a good fullback, became a good running back. So part of our challenges last year was we didnít have enough firepower. You probably noticed that if you watched us. We had I think a pretty a good quarterback, but we just didnít have a lot of firepower, so I think weíre a little further down the road that way and weíre a little further down the road communicationally. How good weíll be? I donít know. But I think we have good players like our running backs who will be better than they were a year ago. I think our line has a chance to be better because we have more experience now. That doesnít mean we donít get three players injured like we did a year ago. I canít predict that. Our tight ends, weíre a little bit deeper there and we have more experience. You know, there are some things that are better than they were a year ago. But we still have some questions to answer, too. So thatís what seasons are all about and thatís where great stories unfold, hopefully.
Ferentz: Flawlessly from my perspective. Iíve got a little bit of an insiderís advantage because my son worked with Bill for several years before he was named the head coach at Penn State. First of all, he was a tremendous selection. I give them a lot of credit for finding Billy. But heís a tremendous coach, a tremendous person. Great family guy. So all those things, walking into an extremely challenging situation, thereís no handbook for things like that and from my perspective looking 700-800 miles away, he just did a wonderful job. I mean, he had a lot of things to accomplish before they could even practice back in August. But again, from an outsiderís perspective, he handled every step as indepthly as anybody could. I think he showed during the year the kind of coach he is. He has got a great staff. Penn State has always been a tremendous program, so you know, just give him an awful lot of credit. To say itís a surprise, I canít say that. I kind of anticipated that and I only anticipate it getting better and better for him because Ö thatís a whole separate discussion and one Iíll never really understand. Thatís commentary. Iím not going down that path. But I know this: Whateverís in front of Bill, heíll meet it as well as anybody can and heíll do a wonderful job, just like he did last year. And whether itís one year or five years, 10 years, growing up in that part of the country, I can never envision the day where Penn Stateís not a strong, well-represented program and just having a little personal knowledge about Bill OíBrien and who he is, because Bill is there, I canít imagine that program being anything but a model program.